The future of intelligence | Demis Hassabis (Co-founder and CEO of DeepMind)

In our final episode of the season, Professor Hannah Fry sits down with Google DeepMind Co-founder and CEO Demis Hassabis for their annual check-in. Together, they look beyond the product launches to the scientific and technological questions that will define the next decade.

Demis shares his vision for the path to AGI – from solving "root node" problems in fusion energy and material science to the rise of world models and simulations. They also explore what’s beyond the frontier and the importance of balancing scientific rigor amid the competitive dynamics of AI advancement.

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Timecodes
01:42 2025 progress
05:14 Jagged intelligence
07:32 Mathematical version of AlphaGo?
09:30 Science vs commercialization
12:42 Scaling
17:43 Genie and simulation
25:47 Evolution in simulation
28:26 AI bubble
31:56 Building ethical AI
34:31 AGI
44:44 Turing machines
49:06 How it feels to lead

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Thanks to everyone who made this possible, including but not limited to:
Presenter: Professor Hannah Fry
Series Producer: Dan Hardoon
Editor: Rami Tzabar
Commissioner & Producer: Emma Yousif
Music composition: Eleni Shaw
Audio engineer: Richard Courtice

Studio Manager: Nicholas Duke
Video Director: Bernardo Resende
Video Editor: Anthony Le
Audio Engineer: Perry Rogantin
Production Coordination: Zoey Roberts
Visual Identity and Design: Rob Ashley
Commissioned by Google DeepMind

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